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	<title>Comments on: I think I should give up here&#8230; WORST review evar [Updated]</title>
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		<title>By: CVSeuy</title>
		<link>http://www.roomsapp.mobi/blog/2010/07/worst-review-evar/#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>CVSeuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 00:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should sell this on cydia store if it never comes to App Store. Plus on cydia store, you don&#039;t need to worry about apple&#039;s rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should sell this on cydia store if it never comes to App Store. Plus on cydia store, you don&#8217;t need to worry about apple&#8217;s rules.</p>
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		<title>By: DerFlash</title>
		<link>http://www.roomsapp.mobi/blog/2010/07/worst-review-evar/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>DerFlash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 22:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Matt &amp; other the &quot;plz go to Android&quot; below:

I really appreciate the request for Rooms @ Android (or even on other platforms).
But its finally not THAT easy!

The thing is, I love my Mac, iPhone &amp; iPad. And I love most of the things Apple creates and does. And developing for a device which I dont wanna use, just doesn&#039;t make much sense to me.
Android is like &quot;Linux on PC&quot; - I mean, don&#039;t get me wrong:
It works, and is much better than windows (mobile), but I just want something which works (mostly) right out of the box, is nice to look at  and easy to use ;-)

And I just don&#039;t want to run off everytime something goes wrong or just doesn&#039;t fit!
Instead, I want to (try to) make Apple listen to us developers. To fix their huge mess of stupid rules (there are good ones too for sure).
And tell Apple that some of their employees just seem not willing to do their work (like just replying to emails) like they should!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Matt &#038; other the &#8220;plz go to Android&#8221; below:</p>
<p>I really appreciate the request for Rooms @ Android (or even on other platforms).<br />
But its finally not THAT easy!</p>
<p>The thing is, I love my Mac, iPhone &#038; iPad. And I love most of the things Apple creates and does. And developing for a device which I dont wanna use, just doesn&#8217;t make much sense to me.<br />
Android is like &#8220;Linux on PC&#8221; &#8211; I mean, don&#8217;t get me wrong:<br />
It works, and is much better than windows (mobile), but I just want something which works (mostly) right out of the box, is nice to look at  and easy to use <img src='http://www.roomsapp.mobi/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And I just don&#8217;t want to run off everytime something goes wrong or just doesn&#8217;t fit!<br />
Instead, I want to (try to) make Apple listen to us developers. To fix their huge mess of stupid rules (there are good ones too for sure).<br />
And tell Apple that some of their employees just seem not willing to do their work (like just replying to emails) like they should!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Page</title>
		<link>http://www.roomsapp.mobi/blog/2010/07/worst-review-evar/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Page</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 14:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This must be pretty annoying, but in the end the decision is yours - you can develop for a closed, monopoly platform with arbitrary rules, or you can not. If you choose the former then you have to go along with Apple&#039;s rules.

If, like me, you think this platform is many times worse than any supposed monopoly Microsoft ever had, then you won&#039;t touch the iPhone/Pad/Pod, and you&#039;ll develop for open platforms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This must be pretty annoying, but in the end the decision is yours &#8211; you can develop for a closed, monopoly platform with arbitrary rules, or you can not. If you choose the former then you have to go along with Apple&#8217;s rules.</p>
<p>If, like me, you think this platform is many times worse than any supposed monopoly Microsoft ever had, then you won&#8217;t touch the iPhone/Pad/Pod, and you&#8217;ll develop for open platforms.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Merciless</title>
		<link>http://www.roomsapp.mobi/blog/2010/07/worst-review-evar/#comment-77</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Merciless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 07:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or then they just realized you are doing something cool enough, now want to steal your idea, and will make you wait to get their own version out. Good idea to post this though. May end them up with lawsuit if they try what I presume.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or then they just realized you are doing something cool enough, now want to steal your idea, and will make you wait to get their own version out. Good idea to post this though. May end them up with lawsuit if they try what I presume.</p>
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		<title>By: erik</title>
		<link>http://www.roomsapp.mobi/blog/2010/07/worst-review-evar/#comment-76</link>
		<dc:creator>erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 03:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why not just put it in for review again and again and again and again. maybe they give up some day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why not just put it in for review again and again and again and again. maybe they give up some day.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.roomsapp.mobi/blog/2010/07/worst-review-evar/#comment-75</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 02:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, develop for android. Please!</description>
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		<title>By: Dennis Groves</title>
		<link>http://www.roomsapp.mobi/blog/2010/07/worst-review-evar/#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Groves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t speak for all Android owners, but I for one would love to have you developing for a more &#039;free&#039; as in freedom, not gratis, platform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t speak for all Android owners, but I for one would love to have you developing for a more &#8216;free&#8217; as in freedom, not gratis, platform.</p>
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		<title>By: DerFlash</title>
		<link>http://www.roomsapp.mobi/blog/2010/07/worst-review-evar/#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator>DerFlash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chris,

using the &quot;voip mode&quot; is not essentially using this &quot;green bar&quot; at the top.

A short explanation:
Its just that the system itself &quot;holds&quot; the connection open, which the app created and still puts the app into &quot;sleep mode&quot; when its &quot;closed&quot; like all other iOS4 updated apps do for using &quot;fast switch&quot;.
Then if some bytes come in on this network connection it wakes up the app for some seconds, lets it do its work (answering/checking the data/reacting) and then puts it back to sleep. THAT&#039;s why I wrote, that its absolutely nice implemented by Apple. On my testing iPhone it runs all day long and only makes a very little battery drain compared to an app which would run 100% all day long.

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For the &quot;network service&quot; you describe. Thats the way &quot;bouncers&quot; work. Because its just not possible to modify all IRC servers in the world, there are those proxys/bouncers.
But unfortunately, if you speak with some bnc providers, there are a little handful of &quot;big&quot; providers which have so called &quot;trust&quot; on all big IRC networks. Most (and new) providers don&#039;t get any, since the IRC networks itself seem not to be in the mood to issue new trusts. (or just get payed by those big networks to not do this ;-) just guessing hrhr)

Hope that clears some things up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris,</p>
<p>using the &#8220;voip mode&#8221; is not essentially using this &#8220;green bar&#8221; at the top.</p>
<p>A short explanation:<br />
Its just that the system itself &#8220;holds&#8221; the connection open, which the app created and still puts the app into &#8220;sleep mode&#8221; when its &#8220;closed&#8221; like all other iOS4 updated apps do for using &#8220;fast switch&#8221;.<br />
Then if some bytes come in on this network connection it wakes up the app for some seconds, lets it do its work (answering/checking the data/reacting) and then puts it back to sleep. THAT&#8217;s why I wrote, that its absolutely nice implemented by Apple. On my testing iPhone it runs all day long and only makes a very little battery drain compared to an app which would run 100% all day long.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>For the &#8220;network service&#8221; you describe. Thats the way &#8220;bouncers&#8221; work. Because its just not possible to modify all IRC servers in the world, there are those proxys/bouncers.<br />
But unfortunately, if you speak with some bnc providers, there are a little handful of &#8220;big&#8221; providers which have so called &#8220;trust&#8221; on all big IRC networks. Most (and new) providers don&#8217;t get any, since the IRC networks itself seem not to be in the mood to issue new trusts. (or just get payed by those big networks to not do this <img src='http://www.roomsapp.mobi/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  just guessing hrhr)</p>
<p>Hope that clears some things up.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.roomsapp.mobi/blog/2010/07/worst-review-evar/#comment-72</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eww, don&#039;t use the VOIP background task - that&#039;s going to look so ugly with the extra titlebar blinking on about Rooms while you do everything else. What if other persistent networking tools did this (e.g. iSSH). It clearly doesn&#039;t scale.

It&#039;s annoying that Apple hasn&#039;t yet addressed the use-case of apps that favour a persistent network connection, but there we go.

They are at least allowing the background task completion for this sort of thing, which gets you 10 minutes of multitasking and then you fire a local notification to prompt the user to quickly return to your app if they care about keeping the connection.

Or you build a network service that people can pay to use which the iPhone client connects to and pushes notifications to them when they&#039;re disconnected :)

Whether or not the App Store process is confusing, slow and imperfect, trying to get around the rules with ugly hacks is not a good idea IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eww, don&#8217;t use the VOIP background task &#8211; that&#8217;s going to look so ugly with the extra titlebar blinking on about Rooms while you do everything else. What if other persistent networking tools did this (e.g. iSSH). It clearly doesn&#8217;t scale.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s annoying that Apple hasn&#8217;t yet addressed the use-case of apps that favour a persistent network connection, but there we go.</p>
<p>They are at least allowing the background task completion for this sort of thing, which gets you 10 minutes of multitasking and then you fire a local notification to prompt the user to quickly return to your app if they care about keeping the connection.</p>
<p>Or you build a network service that people can pay to use which the iPhone client connects to and pushes notifications to them when they&#8217;re disconnected <img src='http://www.roomsapp.mobi/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Whether or not the App Store process is confusing, slow and imperfect, trying to get around the rules with ugly hacks is not a good idea IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.roomsapp.mobi/blog/2010/07/worst-review-evar/#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop developing iPhone applications, it&#039;s as simple as that. I won&#039;t write another line of code for Apple, why should I? If they are going to treat developers like this, then they can go to hell. Migrate to the platforms that will treat you with respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop developing iPhone applications, it&#8217;s as simple as that. I won&#8217;t write another line of code for Apple, why should I? If they are going to treat developers like this, then they can go to hell. Migrate to the platforms that will treat you with respect.</p>
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